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 Post subject: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:58 am 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu

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The new strain of swine influenza A (H1N1) involved in the 2009 flu outbreak in humans is a reassortment of several strains of influenza A virus subtype H1N1 that are, separately, endemic in humans, endemic in birds, and endemic in swine. Preliminary genetic characterization found that the hemagglutinin (HA) gene was similar to that of swine flu viruses present in United States pigs since 1999, but the neuraminidase (NA) and matrix protein (M) genes resembled versions present in European swine flu isolates. Viruses with this genetic makeup had not previously been found to be circulating in humans or pigs, but there is no formal national surveillance system to determine what viruses are circulating in pigs in the United States.[52] The origins of this new strain remain unknown.

The earliest known human case, 5 year old Edgar Hernandez, was near a pig farm in La Gloria, Veracruz state, Mexico, that raises almost 1 million pigs a year[53]. Residents of La Gloria have long complained about the clouds of flies that are drawn to the so-called 'manure lagoons' created by such mega-farms.[54] Edgar Hernandez was thought to be suffering from ordinary influenza but laboratory testing revealed he had contracted swine flu. The boy went on to make a full recovery.[55]

"If the people who are supposed to be familiar with this didn't know what it was, how will we ever know how my son got it?" Edgar's mother, Hernandez said.

La Gloria, Perote, Veracruz is a small community, surrounded by large pig farms. Reports indicate that during February 2009 over 400 persons in the town had flu like symptoms and 2 infants died of 'pneumonia'.

Juan Rodriguez died of 'pneumonia' February 9th at age 7 months.

Yovanni Apolinar died of 'pneumonia' March 12th at age 2 months.

USDA researchers say that while pig vaccination keeps pigs from getting sick, it does not block infection or shedding of the virus.[56]

Dr. Anne Schuchat, interim Deputy Director for CDC Science and Public Health, said that the American cases were found to be made up of genetic elements from four different flu viruses – North American swine influenza, North American avian influenza, human influenza, and swine influenza virus typically found in Asia and Europe – "an unusually mongrelised mix of genetic sequences."[57] Pigs have been shown to act as a potential "mixing vessel" in which reassortment can occur between flu viruses of several species.[58][59] This new strain appears to be a result of reassortment of human influenza and swine influenza viruses, presumably due to superinfection in an individual human. Influenza viruses readily undergo reassortment due to antigenic shift because their genome is split between eight pieces of RNA (see Orthomyxoviridae).

The current strain of swine flu can adapt to humans and spread more efficiently than previously known swine H1N1 strains. Moreover, co-infection of H1N1 swine flu and Oseltamivir resistant H1N1 season flu can lead to acquisition of the H274Y mutation by the swine flu via recombination or reassortment.[60] Swine H1N1 with human H1 and N1 have been reported.[61]

The 1918 flu pandemic strain had undergone polymorphism from swine and human H1N1 in all eight pieces of RNA gene segments. Similar swapping of gene segments in humans co-infected with seasonal human influenza and swine H1N1 can lead to rapid evolution.[62]

The new strain of swine influenza A (H1N1) is currently listed by the United States and World Health Organization as a Stage 5 pandemic virus.[63]


Be careful everyone. My suggestion is buy hand sanitizer and clean your hands and try and avoid congested areas if all possible. Also think about what all gets handled by tons of people??? MONEY! Clean your hands after money handling, and maybe wipe down your credit/debit cards! I hate to be paranoid but this is escalating rapidly and is already a stage five pandemic virus. Meaning its in more than one continent and still spreading.

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
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Like I posted in the other thread, every time I watch the news, I'm reminded of Amy Poehler's character in the SNL skit "Bronx Beat" talking about how she swears the whole world is going to blow up soon.
Swine flu, bird flu, SARS, various tainted food recalls...there always seems to be something having people going around wearing surgical masks.

From what I've been hearing on the news so far, it seems that the cases of Swine flu in Mexico are the ones that are causing more casualties; they were saying the cases in North America didn't seem to be as severe and they were trying to pin down why.
People are still vacationing to Mexico as this has been unfolding on the news too, and while that would make me a little too nervous for comfort, I can understand their thinking. You get tired of living in fear of everything.

That's one of the reasons I don't watch the news as much as I used to; I am naturally anxious enough and don't need to hear about 35367852636758 more things to worry about.
The news is like a daily dose of "we're all going to die".
Now, I'm not saying we're not going to die, because we all will eventually, but personally I think some things get blown way out of proportion and send people into a panicked tizzy.

The upside is that a lot of these illnesses aren't as fatal as they seem to be portrayed. Yes, some cases can be fatal, but that is often in the case of infants and the elderly, or others who already have compromised immune systems.

I can't remember the exact percentage quote I heard on the news last night, so I won't type a guess, but the percentage of swine flu cases that lead to death wasn't excessively high.

I suppose one good thing about the amount of coverage these types of things get is that it can lead to quicker containment when possible, and more people will take precautions. I do worry about excessive measures though, because it sure wouldn't be fun to be pulled aside and quarantined unnecessarily.
I saw a feature on some countries that were using infrared screening of arriving travellers to check everyone coming in for fever and flu like symptoms.

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
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Yeah, be careful, but a little dose of reality. There has been one death in the US from Swine Flu so far this year. There have been 16,000 deaths in the US since January from regular flu this year.

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Scientists see this flu strain as relatively mild
Genetic data indicate this outbreak won't be as deadly as that of 1918, or even the average winter.
By Karen Kaplan and Alan Zarembo
April 30, 2009
As the World Health Organization raised its infectious disease alert level Wednesday and health officials confirmed the first death linked to swine flu inside U.S. borders, scientists studying the virus are coming to the consensus that this hybrid strain of influenza -- at least in its current form -- isn't shaping up to be as fatal as the strains that caused some previous pandemics.

In fact, the current outbreak of the H1N1 virus, which emerged in San Diego and southern Mexico late last month, may not even do as much damage as the run-of-the-mill flu outbreaks that occur each winter without much fanfare.

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/ ... 6923.story

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
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I'm alerting you so that if you have flu like symptoms you don't brush it off and stay home and die.

One of my friends roomates has been confirmed to have H1N1. They are quarantining her, and hopefully my son or I wont get it. I was supposed to have gone and gotten my hair done with my friend today but cancelled because I decided to stay safe. I'm pretty glad I did because my true fear is that my son might catch it. I am rather a worry wart myself at times, but fuck people, this shit is slightly more bigger than the bird flu and when people STILL travel to known places that it originated from, you kind of have to wonder about their sanity. There was 5 confirmed cases today in Texas... 1 in Fort Worth WHERE I LIVE, and two in Euless Middle of our metroplex.

I've got a bloody headache at the moment and am really rather stressed.

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
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with the amount of travel etc that takes place today we can only look forward to these types of things occurring on what seems to be a yearly basis


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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
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Its just another thing for the public to panic on.

One confirmed death and the CDC is raising the terror level like were all gonna die.

Don't think you'd should worry much at all. Its just another flu and its not even as bad as the one were used to! Its a lesser one and its coming at an usual time of year so people act like its a cold istead of a flu.

I'd worry more about south korea tryin to nuke people lol


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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
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ugh... Its okay for yall... I'm over here in little mexico contracting pig flu... Dont worry about me... I'll be fine. :eye roll:

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InfiniteChaos wrote:
I'm alerting you so that if you have flu like symptoms you don't brush it off and stay home and die.

One of my friends roomates has been confirmed to have H1N1. They are quarantining her, and hopefully my son or I wont get it. I was supposed to have gone and gotten my hair done with my friend today but cancelled because I decided to stay safe. I'm pretty glad I did because my true fear is that my son might catch it. I am rather a worry wart myself at times, but fuck people, this shit is slightly more bigger than the bird flu and when people STILL travel to known places that it originated from, you kind of have to wonder about their sanity. There was 5 confirmed cases today in Texas... 1 in Fort Worth WHERE I LIVE, and two in Euless Middle of our metroplex.

I've got a bloody headache at the moment and am really rather stressed.

Right, but the scientists are now saying that the regular flu is more dangerous than the swine flu so if you or your son do catch the flu you should hope it's the swine flu, though neither one is likely to kill you - or even keep you out of school or work for more than a few days.

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
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Yea but you still should catch it early or it is bad... I may live, but why the fuck is all the publicity centered upon this shit? HUH? Closing school districts and what not? If it werent that dangerous, why take such drastic precautions? Its maddening to me that every year or so there is some scare going on and I suspect that it will begin happening more frequently because people are going to begin to get desensitized *like ya'll* towards the run of the mill scare.

So, what happens when the media, government and illness's aren't crying wolf? I think that its a damn shame personally that we have to desensitize towards this type of thing because when 28 days later busts lose we are all going to be acting like Shaun of the Dead and pissing about.

And now for something completely different... I've been having dreams about 28 days later. Call me a fucking conspiracy theory nut * no please dont * but my dad said that the bush admin conveniently bought 50 million doses of the the cure to the swine flu. How convenient. Anyways my point is, how would they know unless they planted it or something? I know that pigs are very closely related to humans so it would make sense to me that they could pass off diseases, but birds???? How did bird dna, human, and pig get inter-mingled together to make what media is calling a super flu?

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Natural Population Control, that's how.

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
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OK Big Brother, I think I need to put you back in 1984 :roll:

It just bugs me how everyone is so amazingly cavalier about these things.

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 Post subject: Re: 2009 Swine Flu Outbreak
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As I understand 31 thousand people a year die of seasonal flu. I'm not worried about this yet.

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i got a message the other day...


People said a black man will be president when pigs fly.....

100 days into President Obama's term,
Swine Flu!!


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golem i think you mean N.Korea nukin ppl the south is our ally i believe.

and infinite chaos, ummm how did the bush admin buy cures for the swine flu, when there was no swine flu when he was in office? no offense get your facts straight. unless during one of the two bushes there was another swine flu i didnt hear about.

i believe you are talking about the Obama admin, and cures.
from what ive heard its either:
1- the 50 mil cures from the regular influenza(common cold)
2- the stockpile of bird flu meds we made
3- or the meds from the last serious swine flu(i forget the term, but the one from the 20's or 50's i believe)

what ive been doing recently is been listening to cspan for all my news, very informative for all the flu crap. from what i heard there on the cdc's press conference they were saying it was resilient to all the current meds we have, and any current meds we have dont stand a good chance off fighting this thing.

i agree with what some others have said here, getting worked up into a panicky frenzy is no good, but its still a reality that a serious virus is out there with pandemic potential. the media as always in my opinion is full of itself and will always downplay the news to make it look like things are in control so the population has nothing to fear, and not go into a frenzy.

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