Necrotic Obsession

Are you for/against animal testing? What are your reasons? Do you think there is any alternative to animal testing?

For, though some of the requirements are stupid. For example, there are regulations that force companies to repeatedly test industrial compounds on animals even though the results are always the same. The effects of bleech ingestion, for example, has been tested a billion times but Clorox is still required to keep testing it over and over.

We get it. Don't drink bleech.

Why not just test death row inmates...they're going to die anyway?

I have no problem with that, actually, as long as their appeals have been exhausted. As a matter in practicality, though, I recognize that that will never happen because the constitution prohibits it.

I was just joking, I don't lnow if I'd agree with that either. Although I'd be more likely to agree with human-testing than animal testing. However, that would most certainly go against human rights.

In anycase, when you're talking about pharmacueticals, all animal testing is followed up by human testing anyways - at least here in the US. You have to have lengthy clinical trials before you are allowed to sell anythiing to the general population.

Aye, I believe that was how it worked, but then last year we had some human tests go horribly wrong and so now I don't know how it works anymore.

Although, the human testing doesn't usually have such awful side effects that can be seen with animal testing.
I don't agree with animal testing, however I really don't know of any alternative.

I like animals too, but I'd draw the lines at protecting animal rights above human rights, as you have been suggesting.

Peter Singer makes some compelling arguments about animal rights that everyone should read, though.

I shall be sure to check out Singer's arguments.

This is definitely an area where I feel there is a catch 22 situation. I mean, as I said before... I don't agree with it and I'm horrified, but there really isn't any alternative. However, is it right to test on animals over humans when it is not for an animals personal gain and they have no idea what is going on and they do not benefit in any way from it?


But then again...I wouldn't want any human to have to suffer this either.

I suppose we'd have to have a look at what we have gained from animal testing already, and evaluate that first.

I wonder what the animal testers used to get around the cruelty to animals law.

Not that i'm against testing on animals, if it truelly benefits mankind then do it. What they discover could save you.

And hell ya, test on the lifers in prison. Shit don't stop at the lifers test every sumbitch convicted of rape, murder, child abuse, and those fuckin wife beaters.

Although if it turns out afterwards that they were innocent , you're going to feel like a fucking moron. And if you don't, you have no right to claim to be human.

“I cannot support a system which, in its administration, has proven so fraught with error and has come so close to the ultimate nightmare, the state’s taking of innocent life… Until I can be sure that everyone sentenced to death in Illinois is truly guilty, until I can be sure with moral certainty that no innocent man or woman is facing a lethal injection, no one will meet that fate.â€

What the hell find out later? If our legal system is so messed up that we are becoming a bunch of doubting thomas's because some people have been found innocent, there are still millions that were not, then fix it or get rid of it.
What do you tell the person on trial, a hey mister we find you guilty today so we are putting you prison until they figure out if you are really innocent.

No, what you do is show the appropriate amount of shame for supporting a justice system that kills many innocent people.

And I see you on court house steps doing somthing about it.
You go along with it like everyone else.
Come on man you say "many innocent people", You don't have a clue how many innocent people "If ANY" have been executed.

"Amount of shame" do live in the U.S. ?
Change it my friend .